George Norval

Other Events and Attributes:

• 1820 Lineage: Yes

Family/Spouse: Jean Mary Hobden. Jean was born on 16 Apr 1934 in Libode, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 11 Sep 2009. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Arthur George Norval was born on 28 Aug 1958 in Livingstone, Zambia (Northern Rhodesia); died about 1987.
2. Richard Walter Norval was born on 8 Jul 1960 in Bulawayo, Southern Rhodesia (Zimbabwe); died on 28 Mar 2015.
3. Douglas Alan Norval
4. Peter John Norval

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• 1820 Lineage: Yes

George married Isabel Grace Thurgood on 5 Apr 1920. Isabel was born in 1892; died in 1986. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• 1820 Lineage: Yes
• Occupation: 'Roodipoort' ('Rooipoort'), Philippolis, Free State, South Africa; a Farmer

Notes:

Eldest surviving son of John and Mary. Farmed Rooipoort after his father.

George married Christina Elizabeth Watt in 1881. Christina was born est 1860; died in 1926. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Name: Christina Elizabeth Watt

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• Name: John Norval 1817
• Occupation: a Horse breeder, Farmer

Notes:

Emigrated to the Cape in 1817, with his father, John, and his two uncles, Archibald and William. Arrived on the "Brilliant". Death Notice 6/9/2232. "Roodipoort" was his dwelling place. Death Notice gives value of his moveable and immoveable property in Colesberg and Colesberg District as about 7,000 pounds.

Emigrated to the Cape in 1817, with his father, John, and his two uncles,
Archibald and William. Arrived on the "Brilliant"."Roodipoort" was his dwelling place. Death Notice gives value of his moveable and immoveable property in Colesberg and Colesberg District as about 7,000 pounds.

Extract from " Roll of the British Settlers in South Africa " by E. MorseJones

p 2
".... In the meantime some two hundred Settlers from Scotland arrived at the Cape under Captain Benjamin Moodie in this year, 1817,..."

p 17
"... The lists following are in three groups, these severally includingSettlers who landed prior to 1820,...."

"... In the case of Moodie's party where a ship's name is not given thesailing was either in " Clyde " or " Garland ".... "

p 20
".... Murray, Andrew. Farmer. p Moodie's. 1817. His wife did notembark...."


".... Norval, Archibald. p Moodie's. 1817.
Norval, John. c John. p Moodie's. 1817.
Norval, William. p Moodie's. 1817."

p 146
"... Norval, A member of Moodie's party he sailed in 1817. He bredhorses in the Colesberg district in 1848. In 1849 he launched the pont " Clyde " at Port Glasgow on theOrange River. It had a capacity of four loaded wagons or 4,000 sheep... "

It has now become clear ( 11:03:2000 ) that the John Norval( Snr ) who came out with Moodie's party in 1817 and the John Norval who married Mary Jane Murray were not one and the same person. John Norval ( Snr ) came out with a son, John Norval, as well as two brothers. No mention is made in the above mentioned book of him having had a wife with him. One can only assume that he was a widower. Our John Norval, born 1795, and therefore 22 years of age in 1817, is the one who married Mary Jane Murray. The brothers of John ( Snr ) were Archibald and William Norval. It is, of course, not impossible, that John ( Jnr ) was a younger brother of the three Norval brothers Archibald, John and William! The Settler book merely lists him as a child. This does not necessarily mean that he was John ( Snr )'s child, though he travelled with him! The chances seem pretty good that this might have been the case rather than that he was a son of John (Snr ).
I have nevertheless left my original assumption unchanged i.e. John being a son of John for the time being.

Since found the book Driehonderd Jaar Nasiebou - Stamouers van die Afrikanervolk by Dr. D.F. Du T. Malherbe. In it he refers to two brothers, James and Ernest, having come out together with John. Adds "Son James Charles (1:10:1826) is great grandfather (grootvader) of Dr.Arthur James Norval ( Pretoria ). He also states " The three brothers managed Norvalspont."

The repeated occurrence of the name James Charles Norval down the generations has also made me wonder if this was not the name of the father of the Settler brothers. It could also originate from James Murray though!

The farm Roodepoort was later also referred to as Rooipoort by some,including by Samuel Pellissier in the note to George Henry Norval in the flyleaf to his book about his father Jean Pierre Pellissier, the missionary.

My reason for having two unnamed children of unknown sex is based on a recollection of Hazel Willies. The date of marriage and date of birth of the first named child would seem to substantiate her belief somewhat!?

I have yet to work out Hazel's oft repeated 10 sons, each of whom had a farm, and 3 daughters. The facts do not seem to substantiate this.Possibly a count of the sons of the two brothers ( or brother and nephew) will give a clue?? David Barlow also refers to 13 children, the youngest according to his mother was Ellen Morrison Norval ( b. 1854 )who died very young.

John married Mary Jane Murray, 1820 Settler on 4 Dec 1831 in Graaff-Reinet, Eastern Cape, South Africa. Mary (daughter of James Murray, 1820 Settler and Sarah Armstrong, 1820 Settler) was born on 10 Jan 1810 in Summerhill Bective Estate, Dublin (nr), Ireland; died on 17 Aug 1898 in 'Roodipoort' ('Rooipoort'), Philippolis, Free State, South Africa; was buried in Colesberg, Northern Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• 1820 Lineage: Yes
• Settler ID: 587
• Name: Mary Jane Murray 1820
• Settler: 12 Feb 1820, Cork, Co Cork, Ireland

Notes:

as the third child of James and Sarah. Had 13 children (Henry was the 7th). Death Notice gives her parents as George Murray and Sarah Armstrong. Will (1874) filed 1875.

as the third child of James and Sarah. Had 13 children (Henry was the 7th).
Death Notice gives her parents as George Murray and Sarah Armstrong. Will
(1874) filed 1875 [72].

Jean Pierre Pellissier arrived in Graaff Reinet from the North on 8 March1833 and 9 May when he departed for Phillipolis, Jean Pierre went to the coast ( Port Elizabeth ) and married his wife, not necessarily though likely in that order.
"By the end of 1831 ds. Murray joined in marriage at Graaff Reinet a certain Mary Jane Murray, a daughter of one of the Irish Party of theBritish Settlers of 1820, with a certain John Norval."
" The Norval's of Rooipoort, District Phillopolis, who were descendantsof Mary Murray..."

Transcript of letter from James Murray to his oldest daughter Mary Jane,shortly before her marriage to John Norval as published in Pellissier'sbook:-
" Hartfell, November21st, 1831
Dear Maria,
I received your letter and am happy to hear that you are quite well,I am so too and so is your Mother, thank God. I have nothing to say toyou now but what I have said before. I need not tell you that i wish youevery happyness when you change your name and your condition. Rememberyour duty to God, never forget to ask his Blessing in all yourundertakings and may God bless you and direct you in all your ways is thefervent prayer of your Father and Mother - I remain your affect. Father
J.L. Murray "
The original letter was in the possession of Mrs Isabell Barlow ofBindura, Zimbabwe, who was one of the great grandchildren of MaryMurray.

Settler:
Parker's party on the East Indian