Linda Marion Timm: British 1820 Settlers to South Africa

Generation: 1

Linda Marion Timm was born on 3 Aug 1885; was christened on 13 Oct 1885 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa (daughter of Job Timm and Elizabeth Cadwallader); died on 21 Jun 1920 in Port Alfred, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Port Alfred Cemetery (Settlers West), Port Alfred, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

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1820 Lineage: Yes

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Family/Spouse: Arthur Osborne Elliott. Arthur (son of Henry Elliott and Caroline Flanegan) was born on 1 Dec 1883; was christened on 30 Aug 1885 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 6 Jan 1951 in Port Alfred, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Port Alfred Cemetery (Settlers West), Port Alfred, Eastern Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Graham Osborne Elliott was born in 1913; died on 15 Oct 1963; was buried in Southwell Church (St James), Southwell, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Nora Elliott
Owen Elliott
Allen Snashll
Thelma Elliott

Generation: 2

Job Timm was born on 19 Sep 1837; was christened on 19 Nov 1837 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa (son of Edward Timm, 1820 Settler and Selina Tarr, 1820 Settler); died on 19 Jan 1919; was buried on 25 Jan 1919 in Shaw Park, Bathurst District, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

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1820 Lineage: Yes
Occupation: Elephant Park farm, Bathurst district, Eastern Cape, South Africa; a Farmer

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Job married Elizabeth Cadwallader about 1872. Elizabeth (daughter of William Cadwallader and Elizabeth Watmough) was born on 22 Oct 1843 in Abergaveny, Wales, UK; died on 21 Jun 1937 in Elephant Park farm, Bathurst district, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 22 Jun 1937 in Shaw Park, Bathurst District, Eastern Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Elizabeth Cadwallader was born on 22 Oct 1843 in Abergaveny, Wales, UK (daughter of William Cadwallader and Elizabeth Watmough); died on 21 Jun 1937 in Elephant Park farm, Bathurst district, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 22 Jun 1937 in Shaw Park, Bathurst District, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

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Owen Laing Timm was born on 23 Mar 1873; was christened on 29 May 1873 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died in 1874.
Lizzie Pearl Timm was born on 18 Feb 1875; was christened on 16 May 1875 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Wilfred Edward Cadwallader Timm was born on 8 Sep 1877; was christened on 21 Oct 1877 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 11 Dec 1946 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 12 Dec 1946 in Shaw Park, Bathurst District, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Florence Olive Timm was born on 18 Mar 1881; was christened on 10 Jul 1881 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 18 Jun 1962 in Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 19 Jun 1962 in Shaw Park Cemetery (New), Shaw Park, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Stuart Mortimer Timm was born on 26 Mar 1883 in Elephant Park farm, Bathurst district, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was christened on 16 Apr 1883 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 19 Feb 1972; was buried in Shaw Park Cemetery (New), Shaw Park, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
1. Linda Marion Timm was born on 3 Aug 1885; was christened on 13 Oct 1885 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 21 Jun 1920 in Port Alfred, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Port Alfred Cemetery (Settlers West), Port Alfred, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
William Job Maynard Timm was born on 11 Sep 1888; was christened on 18 Oct 1888 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 23 Jan 1969; was buried in Shaw Park, Bathurst District, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

Generation: 3

Edward Timm, 1820 Settler was born on 16 Apr 1806 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England (son of Thomas Timm, 1820 Settler and Elizabeth Holt, 1820 Settler); died on 19 Dec 1886 in Prospect House, Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 20 Dec 1886 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa.

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1820 Lineage: Yes
Settler ID: 781
Name: Edward Timm 1820
Occupation: a Farmer
Religion: the Protestant Church
Settler: 13 Feb 1820, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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Timm or Timms - A Mystery
Most family traditions that we have come across is that there was an argument between two of the brothers of Thomas Timm/s, leading to one of the brothers (Charles, the older of the two) taking the family name Timms and the other brother (Edward) taking the family name Timm.
I am related to Edward Timm, and the family tradition handed down in my family was that Edward "dropped the s". In other words, the name was originally Timms and Edward changed his name to Timm.
However, our research has determined that in England and in the early days of South Africa, the names Timm and Timms were pretty much used interchangeably. For examply, there are almost an equal number of references to "Timm" and "Timms" in the Nottingham baptismal register. Thomas signed his name Timm on his marriage certificate, but at other times presumably gave his name as Timms (e.g. when some of his children were baptised). - the above from Mike Wright.

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Edward married Selina Tarr, 1820 Settler on 12 Dec 1829 in Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa. Selina (daughter of Thomas Henry Tarr, 1820 Settler and Ann Radford, 1820 Settler) was born on 26 Aug 1813 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died on 14 Jan 1894 in Prospect House, Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 15 Jan 1894 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Selina Tarr, 1820 Settler was born on 26 Aug 1813 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England (daughter of Thomas Henry Tarr, 1820 Settler and Ann Radford, 1820 Settler); died on 14 Jan 1894 in Prospect House, Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 15 Jan 1894 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa.

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1820 Lineage: Yes
Settler ID: 759
Name: Selina Tarr 1820
Religion: the Protestant Church
Adult Christening: 5 Sep 1813, Nottingham Church (St Mary's), Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Settler: 13 Feb 1820, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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Witnesses: Thos Tarr, Ann Tarr

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Mary Timm was born on 26 Oct 1830 in Salem, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was christened on 12 May 1831 in Salem, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 23 Apr 1911 in King William's Town, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Reuben Timm was born on 16 Apr 1832 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 9 Nov 1892; was buried on 10 Nov 1892 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Paul Timm was born on 21 May 1834 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was christened on 22 Jun 1834 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 22 Oct 1909 in Peddie, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Wesleyan Methodist Church cemetery, WESLEY, Peddie District, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Amos Timm was born on 23 Mar 1836 in Cawood's Post, Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was christened on 29 May 1836 in Salem, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 30 Aug 1912 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 31 Aug 1912 in Bathurst Church (St Mary's - Methodist and Wesleyan), Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
2. Job Timm was born on 19 Sep 1837; was christened on 19 Nov 1837 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 19 Jan 1919; was buried on 25 Jan 1919 in Shaw Park, Bathurst District, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Enos Timm was born on 15 Nov 1839; was christened on 30 Jun 1845 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 12 Sep 1916 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 13 Sep 1916 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Edward Timm was born on 1 Aug 1841; was christened on 30 Jun 1845; died on 9 Mar 1930 in Cress Farm, Bathurst district, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Shaw Park, Bathurst District, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Isaiah Timm was born on 16 Apr 1844; was christened on 30 Jun 1845; died on 11 Jun 1855.
Maria Ann Timm was born on 12 Feb 1846 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; was christened on 23 Dec 1852; died on 26 Jan 1884 in 'White Bush'; was buried on 27 Jan 1884 in Shaw Park, Bathurst District, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Selina Elizabeth Timm was born on 29 Aug 1847 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; was christened on 23 Dec 1852; died on 7 Jun 1927 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 8 Jun 1927 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Octavius Benjamin d'Urban Timm was born on 20 Oct 1849 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was christened on 23 Dec 1852; died on 4 Jul 1927 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 6 Jul 1927 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Lucy WiIhemina Timm was born on 17 Nov 1851 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was christened on 23 Dec 1852.
Rebecca Maud Timm was born on 28 Jan 1854 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; was christened on 13 Apr 1859; died on 19 Aug 1931 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 20 Aug 1931 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Sir George Grey Timm was born on 8 Apr 1856; was christened on 13 Apr 1859; died on 11 Nov 1928 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Bathurst Church (St Mary's - Methodist and Wesleyan), Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
John Timm was born on 31 Dec 1858; died on 10 Apr 1859.

6. William Cadwallader
William + Elizabeth Watmough. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Elizabeth Watmough

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3. Elizabeth Cadwallader was born on 22 Oct 1843 in Abergaveny, Wales, UK; died on 21 Jun 1937 in Elephant Park farm, Bathurst district, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 22 Jun 1937 in Shaw Park, Bathurst District, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Ellen Cadwallader was born in Jun 1845 in Wales, UK; died on 26 Mar 1934.
Mary Ann Cadwallader
Sarah Cadwallader

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Thomas Timm, 1820 Settler was born about 1775 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 26 Jan 1775 in Nottingham Church (St Mary's), Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England (son of Charles Timm and Elizabeth Sadler, - wife of Charles Timms); died on 10 Nov 1847 in The House of William Tho(Ma)S Allen, Bathurst.

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1820 Lineage: Yes
Settler ID: 785
Occupation: a Framework Knitter
Settler: 13 Feb 1820, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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1775 according to DN MOOC 6/9/44-9311; 1780 according to The Settler Handbook

Framework knitter who came out with Calton's Party on the Albury, left Liverpool 13 Feb 1820, arrived in Algoa Bay 15 May. Settled on Torrens River, location was named Clumber after the seat of the Duke of Newcastle.

Carol Forsberg wrote on Facebook: This is what I have Thomas Tmms - Source: Familysearch.org
Name: Thomas Timms
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 26 Jan 1775
Christening Place: SAINT MARY,NOTTINGHAM,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Charles Timms
Mother's Name: Elisabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04487-1
System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 503799

1820 SETTLER PARTY: CALTON, SHIP: ALBURY

OCCUPATION PRIOR TO MIGRATION TO S.A.: FRAMEWORK KNITTER

NOTE: It was apparently the death of their eldest son, John, that was the final straw that prompted Thomas to make the decision to go to the Cape Colony; for John had been murdered. This had been passed down by word of mouth in some parts of the Timm family in South Africa. Thomas and Elizabeth and the entire communityknew who had committed the murder, and that justice had not been done. In their pain and grief, they decided to leave England with their remaining children, Charles, Edward, Thomas, Eliza and Louisa. The matter actually came to trial in 1822. We will never know if they knew this or not.

It is highly likely that Thomas and Elizabeth had at least one other child between John (1799) and Charles (1804). This child would likely have been either stillborn or would have died young, before being baptised, as we cannot (at this stage) find any reference to a child being born around 1802.

Died at Bathurst on 10th instant, aged 72 years, at the residence of his son-in-law W. Allen, Mr. Thos. Timms of the Nottingham Party. Deceased was one of the original settlers of 1820.

Ticknall is in Derbyshire, the next county over from Nottinghamshire, where Thomas was apparently born and from where the Timms emigrated to South Africa.

DEATH NOTICE: MOOC, 6/9/44-9311

It appears that Thomas was baptised as TIMMS in England, but that may have been an error in the registration by the church minister. Thomas' son John and the trial etc., all refer to him has John Timm. Thomas signed the Nottingham party agreement as Thomas Timm and the manifests have them as TIMM.
There appears to have ben a disagreement of some sort by the son Charles with the rest of the family, and he decided to use the name TIMMS.

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Thomas married Elizabeth Holt, 1820 Settler on 9 Nov 1795 in Calke, Derby, England. Elizabeth was born in 1772 in Ticknall, Derbyshire, England; died on 27 Jun 1852 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Elizabeth Holt, 1820 Settler was born in 1772 in Ticknall, Derbyshire, England; died on 27 Jun 1852 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

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1820 Lineage: Yes
Settler ID: 347
Settler: 13 Feb 1820, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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Mary Timm was born in 1796 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 23 Apr 1796 in St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England.
Ann Timm was born in 1797 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 6 Nov 1797 in St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England.
John Timm was born about 1799 in West Bridgford, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England.
Charles Timms, 1820 Settler was born in 1804 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 18 May 1804 in St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died on 4 Jan 1885 in Uitenhage, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
4. Edward Timm, 1820 Settler was born on 16 Apr 1806 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died on 19 Dec 1886 in Prospect House, Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 20 Dec 1886 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Elizabeth Timm was born about 1808 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died in 1818 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was buried on 20 Sep 1818 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England.
Thomas Timm, 1820 Settler was born in 1811 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 21 Jan 1811 in St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died between 1847 and 1852.
Eliza Timm, 1820 Settler was born in 1813 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 22 Jan 1813 in St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died on 9 Oct 1901 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Louisa Timm, 1820 Settler was born in 1815 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 31 Jul 1815 in St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died on 14 Feb 1877 in Tarkastad, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

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Thomas Henry Tarr, 1820 Settler was born in 1790; was christened on 2 Mar 1791 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England (son of George Tarr and Elizabeth Fletcher); died on 9 Nov 1858 in Peddie, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

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1820 Lineage: Yes
Settler ID: 760
Name: Thomas Henry Tarr 1820
Occupation: a Carpenter
Settler: 13 Feb 1820, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Residence: 10 Oct 1824, Clumber Vale, Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa
Occupation: Oct 1832, Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa; a Carpenter

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Came out with wife and kids in Calton's party, on Albury - settled on Torrens Ruver, and named settlement Clumber, after the seat of the Duke of Newcastle.

His name on all the early Embarcation records was TORR, however subsequent records including his will says TARR. His children all used TARR.
There is a bell dedicated to Thomas and Ann Tarr at Clumber Church

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Thomas married Ann Radford, 1820 Settler on 20 Sep 1812 in St Mary's Church, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England. Ann (daughter of James John Radford and Ann Greenwood) was born in 1791 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died on 23 Dec 1866 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Ann Radford, 1820 Settler was born in 1791 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England (daughter of James John Radford and Ann Greenwood); died on 23 Dec 1866 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa.

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Settler ID: 938
Name: Ann Radford 1820
Adult Christening: 27 Jun 1791, Nottingham Church (St Mary's), Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
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5. Selina Tarr, 1820 Settler was born on 26 Aug 1813 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died on 14 Jan 1894 in Prospect House, Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 15 Jan 1894 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa.
James Tarr, 1820 Settler was born on 24 Aug 1815; died on 26 Aug 1896; was buried on 27 Aug 1896 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Eliza Tarr, 1820 Settler was born on 20 Apr 1817 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died on 9 May 1889 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 10 May 1889 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa.
George Tarr, 1820 Settler was born on 21 Feb 1819 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 28 Feb 1819 in Nottingham Church (St Mary's), Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died on 4 Apr 1850; was buried in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Thomas Tarr was born on 21 Sep 1821; died on 22 Aug 1895 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 23 Aug 1895 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Emma Tarr was born on 6 Jan 1824; died on 21 Dec 1858.
Ann Tarr was born on 20 Jun 1826; was christened on 24 Sep 1826 in Albany District, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 8 Nov 1906 in 'Buffelsfontein', Somerset East, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
William John Tarr was born on 8 Sep 1829; was christened on 11 Jul 1830 in Salem, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 25 Apr 1917.
Samuel Tarr was born on 8 Jun 1830; was christened on 11 Jul 1830 in Salem, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 8 Aug 1914; was buried in Wesley, Peddie District, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Elizabeth Tarr was born on 31 May 1831; died on 8 Oct 1895 in 'Melville Park', Peddie District, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Peddie Cemetery (Wesleyan/Methodist), Wesley, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
Mary Tarr was born on 19 Sep 1832 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was christened in Oct 1832 in Albany District, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 17 Jul 1906 in Fresh Water Poort, Peddie, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Wesley, Peddie District, Eastern Cape, South Africa.