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Louisa Pringle

Female 1862 - 1933  (71 years)


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Louisa Pringle was born on 17 Feb 1862 (daughter of James Lennox Stretch Pringle and Jane Stanton); died on 2 Sep 1933.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • 1820 Lineage: Yes

    Family/Spouse: Stephen William Smith. Stephen was born on 14 Nov 1855 in Manchester, Lancashire, England; died on 2 Jul 1930 in Griquatown, Western Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. William Henry Pringle Smith was born on 28 Jan 1884; died on 11 May 1952.
    2. Mary Jane Smith was born on 24 Oct 1885.
    3. Norah Constance Smith was born on 19 Jul 1887; died on 9 Aug 1936.
    4. Sydney Gordon Smith was born on 20 Apr 1889; died on 6 Aug 1939.
    5. Alma Susannah Smith was born on 14 Jan 1891.
    6. Stephen Wilfred Smith was born on 16 Nov 1892.
    7. Harold Robert Smith was born on 3 Sep 1894; died on 12 Jan 1895.
    8. Norman Jessie Gerald Smith was born on 21 Jan 1896; died in 1918.
    9. Alice Rosalie Smith was born on 4 May 1899; died on 26 Sep 1937.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  James Lennox Stretch PringleJames Lennox Stretch Pringle was born on 1 Jan 1832 in 'Glen Thorn', Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa (son of John Pringle, 1820 Settler and Susan Stretch); died on 24 Aug 1890.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • 1820 Lineage: Yes

    James married Jane Stanton on 24 Aug 1861 in Fort Beaufort Church (St. Jophn's),Fort Beaufort, Eastern Cape, South Africa. Jane (daughter of William Stanton, 1820 Settler and Louisa Timm, 1820 Settler) was born on 16 Sep 1839 in Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 17 Oct 1925. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Jane StantonJane Stanton was born on 16 Sep 1839 in Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa (daughter of William Stanton, 1820 Settler and Louisa Timm, 1820 Settler); died on 17 Oct 1925.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • 1820 Lineage: Yes

    Children:
    1. 1. Louisa Pringle was born on 17 Feb 1862; died on 2 Sep 1933.
    2. John Riddell Pringle was born on 8 Oct 1863; died on 13 Jan 1932.
    3. Susannah Leonora Pringle was born on 4 May 1865; died in 1939.
    4. Florence Jessie Pringle was born on 11 Oct 1866; died in 1952.
    5. Ida Jane Pringle was born in 1868; died in 1928.
    6. William Stanton Leslie Pringle was born on 14 Jul 1871 in Bedford, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 26 Jan 1942 in Boksburg, Gauteng, South Africa.
    7. Robert Henry John Pringle was born on 7 Jan 1872; died on 30 Nov 1908.
    8. James Stretch Pringle was born on 26 Dec 1875; died on 15 Feb 1900.
    9. Charles Sidney Pringle was born on 29 Jun 1877.
    10. Isabella Pringle was born on 23 Sep 1879.
    11. Amelia Millicent Stewart Pringle was born on 27 Sep 1881; died on 29 Jan 1922.
    12. Catherine Mabel Bennett Pringle was born on 26 Jan 1884.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  John Pringle, 1820 SettlerJohn Pringle, 1820 Settler was born on 21 Apr 1791 in Blaiklaw, Linton, Scotland (son of Robert Pringle, 1820 Settler and Catherine Haitlie); died on 7 Apr 1864 in Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Glen Thorn Cemetery (Presbyterian) on Glen Thorn farm, Mancazana Valley, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • 1820 Lineage: Yes
    • Settler ID: 651
    • Name: John Pringle 1820
    • Occupation: an Agriculturist
    • Residence: Glen Thorn farm, Mancazana Valley, Eastern Cape, South Africa
    • Settler: 15 Feb 1820, Gravesend, Kent, England

    Notes:

    His tombstone indicates his birth as being 21 April 1791 (Tessa King and Cemetery Recording CD from the GSSA ) - Pringles of the Valleys has his dob as 21 April 1787.

    John and his brother Thomas started their farm in Eildon which they were allocated as part of the 1820 Settlers scheme. As Grant's party from Scotland decided to go to America rather than South Africa, and the sinking of the Aboena due to fire with loss of almost all the emigrant settler passengers, a lot of the surrounding farm land was not taken up by those potential settlers. The Pringles therefore had the opportunity to acquire more land to expand their farming enterprises. John did not get on with his younger brother, and went to assist Robert Hart in running the Somerset Government farm, and to learn the 'tricks' of farming in South Africa from Robert Hart. It was while he was there, that he met Susan Parr nee Stretch, a recent widow, and sister of Charles Lennox Stretch who had married Robert Hart's eldest daughter, Anna.


    Herald, date unknown.
    Settler family angry as home consigned rubble history
    by Andrew Unsworth

    Glenthorn, an 1820 Settler farmhouse in the Eastern Cape which belonged to the PRINGLE family for more than 150 years, is destined for demolition.

    The loss of the home seven years ago upset surviving members of the prominent family, but it could disappear forever as the new owner cannot afford to keep it standing.

    The National Monuments Council regards the house as historic but can do little to save it as it was never declared a national monument - a step that can be taken only with the owner's consent.

    The farm was established north of Adelaide, Eastern Cape in 1824 by John PRINGLE, one of four brothers who led the 1820 British settlers, on land granted to him by Lord Charles SOMERSET. His brother, Thomas, went on to tackle the colonial authorities over the settlers' plight by founding a newspaper in Cape Town. His name is still linked to the freedom of the press in South Africa.

    Built in 1841, the house was burnt to the ground and rebuilt three times in the frontier wars between the settlers and Xhosas. It was spared only after two women related to a chief were allowed to settle on the farm. Although it was altered and extended over the years, it remained in the PRINGLE family until it was sold by Errol PRINGLE seven years ago to settle debts.

    The controversial sale left bitter divisions. One of Errol's brothers, Crighton PRINGLE of Bedford, said talk of the home in which he grew up opened old wounds and he was not prepared to discuss it. Another brother, Denzil PRINGLE of Grahamstown, was resigned to the house's fate. "One has to forget the past, but I would love to see it kept as a national monument."

    The present owner, Louw DE BEER, lives on an adjoining farm, 'Marshall Vale', also once owned by a branch of the PRINGLE family. He has spent thousands on restoring the turn-of-the-century farm house, but the older homestead on Glenthorn has stood abandoned. "It's been vandalised and would cost too much to restore," he said. "I use and maintain the outbuildings, but the house has no economic use in a remote area like this. "One is sad to do it but there is really no choice."

    The farm is in the heart of "settler country", nestling in a valley of the Winterberg mountains. Today, the house stands in what was once a magnificent garden. Its large rooms are long empty, save for stray sheep droppings, and the billiards room is marked only by a rectangle cut in the floor for the table. Pages of the family history, 'The Pringles of the Valley', lie scattered in what was once the study of Eric PRINGLE, its author and the father of the last owner.

    The outbuildings served as a fort in the Frontier Wars and the window openings are angled to facilitate defensive gunfire. Nearby is a chapel built in 1840 by John PRINGLE and surrounded by the graves of generations of PRINGLEs. It's a national monument.

    The demise of an old farmhouse is nothing new on the platteland. Ironically, the relics of pre-colonial human settlements have been protected by law since 1911, but buildings put up since 1652 were not, unless they were declared monuments. A relatively unknown clause of the National Monuments Act has, since 1986, extended some protection to any building more than 50 years old. But the National Monuments Council says the law is so wide that it is dependent on local authorities to refer sensitive cases to it. Many do, but the "50-year clause" has never really been applied and many suburban renovators are breaking the law.

    Brian JACKSON, Eastern Cape head of the National Monuments Council, was horrified to hear of Glenthorn's planned demolition, but was not prepared to comment until he had seen the house. His intervention is all that stands between Glenthorn and the demolisher's hammer.



    Settler:
    Pringle's party on the Brilliant

    John married Susan Stretch on 26 Mar 1822 in Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa. Susan (daughter of James St. Leger Stretch and Catherine Devenish) was born in 1791 in Ireland; died on 11 Jan 1879 in Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Glen Thorn Cemetery (Presbyterian) on Glen Thorn farm, Mancazana Valley, Eastern Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Susan StretchSusan Stretch was born in 1791 in Ireland (daughter of James St. Leger Stretch and Catherine Devenish); died on 11 Jan 1879 in Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Glen Thorn Cemetery (Presbyterian) on Glen Thorn farm, Mancazana Valley, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Name: Susan or Susanna Stretch

    Notes:

    Conflicting dates: Ivan Mitford-Barberton in Some Frontier Families, under Stretch has Susan's years as 1798 - 1879 yet,under Hart, has her mother Anna's birth year as 1805.

    DEATH NOTICE
    Filed 17 March 1879 6/9/376 6523
    Name of Deceased: Susan STRETCH
    PRINGLE
    Place of Birth: Ireland
    Names of Parents: STRETCH
    Age of Deceased:
    Widow of the late John PRINGLE
    Date of Death: 11 January 1879
    Place of Death: 'Mill Bank',
    Fort Beaufort
    Names of Children and whether Major or Minor:
    Robert Pears PRINGLE
    James Stretch PRINGLE
    Catherine PRINGLE
    Isabella PRINGLE
    Mary Anne PRINGLE
    Ellen Stretch PRINGLE
    Whether the deceased left any property movable or immovable? Wearing apparell and a few presents in Cash.
    Signed by William Ainslie, Snr.

    Susan Parr b. bet 1813-1816 London; d.9 Jul 1882 Battlesden Farm, Alice District. Married James Attwell on 27 Mar 1832.
    She was d.o. Edward Parr [b. bet 1792-1795 England; d. abt 1818 England] and Susan Stretch [b.1796 Ireland; d. 11 Jan 1879 Adelaide, Cape, age 88].
    Buried in Glenthorn Prebyterian Cem. Mancazana.
    Susan was d.o.James St Ledger Stretch [b.1769 Knock Duff, County Cork, Ireland; d.23 Apr 1821 South Arica; buried Millbank, near Fort Beufort] and Catherine Devenish [b. 7 Aug 1767 Knock Duff, County Cork; d.31 May 1845 Adelaide, Cape aged 79] Buried Millbank, near Fort Beaufort.
    Susan Stretch married a second time on 26 Mar 1822, after the death of Edward Parr, to John Pringle [b.31 Apr 1787; d.7 Apr 1864.

    Notes:

    Microfilm #1886513
    Matrimonial Court Minutes and Special Marriage Licenses: 1821 - 1884
    Albany/Grahamstown, Cape, South Africa
    Item 7
    Entry #11
    Husband: John PRINGLE, 33, England
    Wife: Susanna STRETCH, 30, Widow of the late Edward Parr,
    1 child - left in England with her Mother
    Date: 3/26/1822

    Children:
    1. Catherine Pringle was born on 14 Jul 1823 in Somerset East, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was christened on 21 Apr 1824 in Cradock, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 13 Jan 1902 in Altyre, Somerset East, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    2. Isabella Pringle was born in 1825; died on 5 Aug 1914.
    3. Mary Ann Pringle was born in 1827; died on 8 Feb 1907.
    4. Ellen Stretch Pringle was born in 1836 in 'Glen Thorn', Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    5. Robert Piers Pringle was born on 12 May 1829; died on 27 Oct 1921; was buried in Glen Thorn Cemetery (Presbyterian) on Glen Thorn farm, Mancazana Valley, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    6. 2. James Lennox Stretch Pringle was born on 1 Jan 1832 in 'Glen Thorn', Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 24 Aug 1890.

  3. 6.  William Stanton, 1820 Settler was born on 16 Nov 1804 in England (son of William Stanton, 1820 Settler and Elizabeth Moxham, 1820 Settler); died on 31 May 1879 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • 1820 Lineage: Yes
    • Settler ID: 736
    • Settler: 12 Feb 1820, The Downs, Deal, Kent, England

    Notes:

    His Obituary

    Settler:
    Willson's party on the La Belle Alliance

    William married Louisa Timm, 1820 Settler on 7 Feb 1832 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa. Louisa (daughter of Thomas Timm, 1820 Settler and Elizabeth Holt, 1820 Settler) was born in 1815 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 31 Jul 1815 in St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died on 14 Feb 1877 in Tarkastad, Eastern Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Louisa Timm, 1820 Settler was born in 1815 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 31 Jul 1815 in St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England (daughter of Thomas Timm, 1820 Settler and Elizabeth Holt, 1820 Settler); died on 14 Feb 1877 in Tarkastad, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • 1820 Lineage: Yes
    • Settler ID: 783
    • Name: Lucy Timm
    • Settler: 13 Feb 1820, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

    Notes:

    Known as Lucy.
    Lucy according to DN MOOC 6/9/44-9311 Louisa according to The Settler Handbook

    Settler:
    Calton's party on the Albury

    Children:
    1. Elizabeth Stanton
    2. 3. Jane Stanton was born on 16 Sep 1839 in Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 17 Oct 1925.
    3. Selina Jessie Stanton was born in 1844; died on 14 Apr 1922 in Xuka Drift, Elliot, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    4. Rowland Stanton
    5. William Henry Stanton was born in Dec 1832 in Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was christened on 16 Dec 1832 in Albany District, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 28 Apr 1911 in Indwe, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    6. John Stanton was born in 1836; died on 20 Jul 1890 in Pretoria, Gauteng, South Africa.
    7. Alfred Alexander Stanton was born on 13 May 1850 in Fort Beaufort, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 9 Mar 1901 in Military Hospital, Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa.
    8. Jessie Louisa Stanton was born in 1852; died on 18 Apr 1937 in King William's Town, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    9. Benjamin Sydney Stanton was born on 18 May 1857 in Fort Beaufort, Eastern Cape, South Africa; died on 14 Feb 1936 in Germiston, Gauteng, South Africa.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Robert Pringle, 1820 SettlerRobert Pringle, 1820 Settler was born in 1753 in Blakelaw, Roxburghshire, Scotland; died in 1838.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • 1820 Lineage: Yes
    • Settler ID: 652
    • Settler: 15 Feb 1820, Gravesend, Kent, England

    Notes:

    Robert Pringle, farmer from Blakelaw, Roxburghshire had married firstly Catherine Haitlie who died in 1795 leaving 7 children, and secondly Beatix Scott who bore 3 children. Although Robert was nominally the head of Pringle's party of 24 persons who came out in 1820 on the Brilliant, the heavy respopnsibility of that office was assumed by his son, Thomas. The party was located in a remote and dangerous part of the frontier, the Baviaans River valley. They were expected to be joined by 500 other countrymen from Scotland, but when these never came, the Pringle's grant was extended to 20,000 acres.

    Interesting details at http://www.geocities.com/skildsoom/PringleE.html

    Settler:
    Pringle's party on the Brilliant

    Robert + Catherine Haitlie. Catherine died in 1795. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Catherine Haitlie died in 1795.
    Children:
    1. William Pringle was born in 1780; died on 23 Mar 1837 in Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Eildon, Bedford district, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    2. Mary Pringle was born in 1785; died in 1863.
    3. 4. John Pringle, 1820 Settler was born on 21 Apr 1791 in Blaiklaw, Linton, Scotland; died on 7 Apr 1864 in Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Glen Thorn Cemetery (Presbyterian) on Glen Thorn farm, Mancazana Valley, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    4. Thomas Pringle, 1820 Settler was born in 1789; died in 1834.
    5. Isabella Pringle was born in 1790 in Rosburghshire, Scotland; died on 27 Dec 1877 in Spring Grove, Bedford District, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    6. Alexander Pringle was born in 1792.
    7. Jessie Pringle was born in 1795 in Roxburghshire, Scotland; died on 4 Jul 1880 in 'Spring Grove', Bedford District, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in 'Spring Grove', Bedford District, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

  3. 10.  James St. Leger Stretch was born in 1769 in Limerick, Ireland (son of Richard Stretch and Elinor Coakley); died on 23 Apr 1821; was buried in Millbank, near Fort Beaufort, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    was of the 87th Regiment and a government land surveyor
    > From notes on the Diary of Charles Lennox STRETCH
    Page 2 incorrectly states that both of STRETCH's parents emigrated to the Cape. STRETCH's father died in Limerick in 1822 (MS 14827 Cory Library) and, as STRETCH goes on to record on Page 13 of his journal, his mother arrived at Beaufort West from Ireland on 15 Aug 1825 (This should presumably be 1826, since it was only towards the end of 1825 that she requested the Colonial Office for a passage on a government vessel to the Cape: G McCall THEAL, comp., Records of the Cape Colony [London, 1897-1905], XX111, p.408 R.W. Hay to Commissioner of Navy, 7 Nov 1825) STRETCH notes (journal p.13) that James ATTWELL went to accompany Catherine STRETCH on her journey from Cape Town; ATTWELL was married to STRETCH's niece, Susan, the daughter of STRETCH's sister Susan from her first marriage to Edward PARR
    > From the Journal of Charles Lennox STRETCH, Edited by Basil A Le Cordeur

    James + Catherine Devenish. Catherine (daughter of John Devenish and Catherine Meares) was born on 7 Aug 1767; died on 31 May 1845 in Tyumie, Eastern Cape Colony, South Africa; was buried in Millbank, near Fort Beaufort, Eastern Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 11.  Catherine Devenish was born on 7 Aug 1767 (daughter of John Devenish and Catherine Meares); died on 31 May 1845 in Tyumie, Eastern Cape Colony, South Africa; was buried in Millbank, near Fort Beaufort, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

    Notes:

    Daughter of John Devenish of Mears Court, Westmeath, Ireland.

    from The Grahamstown Journal:
    Died at the Tyumie Residence, Caffraria, on the 31st ultimo, Catherine, relict of James St.Leger STRETCH Esq of Knock Duff, County of Cork, Ireland - aged 79.
    Tyumie Residence, 1st June 1845

    Children:
    1. Ellen St Ledger Stretch was born on 9 Apr 1787 in Co. Cork, Ireland; died on 11 Aug 1873 in Victoria West, Northern Cape, South Africa.
    2. Catherine Stretch was born on 14 Nov 1791 in Limerick, Ireland.
    3. 5. Susan Stretch was born in 1791 in Ireland; died on 11 Jan 1879 in Adelaide, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Glen Thorn Cemetery (Presbyterian) on Glen Thorn farm, Mancazana Valley, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    4. Colonel Charles Lennox Stretch was born on 6 May 1797 in Bristol, Somerset, England; died on 13 Oct 1882 in Somerset East, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    5. Richard Aldworth Stretch was born in 1799.

  5. 12.  William Stanton, 1820 Settler was born on 13 Feb 1784 in England; was christened on 14 Mar 1784 in London Church (St Katherine's), London, England; died on 7 Dec 1861 in Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • 1820 Lineage: Yes
    • Settler ID: 737
    • Name: William Stanton 1820
    • Occupation: Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa; a Field Cornet
    • Occupation: a Locksmith and Bellhanger
    • Occupation: Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa; a Wagonmaker
    • Settler: 12 Feb 1820, The Downs, Deal, Kent, England
    • Occupation: 1843; a Director of Grahamstown,Bathurst,and Kowie Shipping Company

    Notes:

    Settler:
    Willson's party on the La Belle Alliance

    William married Elizabeth Moxham, 1820 Settler on 6 Feb 1803 in London, England. Elizabeth was born in 1785 in England; died in Dec 1830; was buried on 28 Dec 1830 in Bathurst Church (St John's - Anglican), Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  6. 13.  Elizabeth Moxham, 1820 Settler was born in 1785 in England; died in Dec 1830; was buried on 28 Dec 1830 in Bathurst Church (St John's - Anglican), Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • 1820 Lineage: Yes
    • Settler ID: 733
    • Name: Elizabeth Stanton
    • Settler: 12 Feb 1820, The Downs, Deal, Kent, England

    Notes:

    called Elizabeth STANTON in the marriage register .. is this possible ??
    name MAXON in Mitford-Barberton's books

    Settler:
    Willson's party on the La Belle Alliance

    Children:
    1. 6. William Stanton, 1820 Settler was born on 16 Nov 1804 in England; died on 31 May 1879 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried in Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    2. Caroline Stanton, 1820 Settler was born in 1814 in Fulham, London, England; died on 13 Apr 1907 in Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    3. Sarah Stanton, 1820 Settler was born in 1811 in England; died on 3 Oct 1886 in Fort Beaufort, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    4. Robert Stanton, 1820 Settler was born on 27 Feb 1817 in England; died on 11 Dec 1894 in Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

  7. 14.  Thomas Timm, 1820 Settler was born about 1775 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 26 Jan 1775 in Nottingham Church (St Mary's), Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England (son of Charles Timm and Elizabeth Sadler, - wife of Charles Timms); died on 10 Nov 1847 in The House of William Tho(Ma)S Allen, Bathurst.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • 1820 Lineage: Yes
    • Settler ID: 785
    • Occupation: a Framework Knitter
    • Settler: 13 Feb 1820, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

    Notes:

    1775 according to DN MOOC 6/9/44-9311; 1780 according to The Settler Handbook

    Framework knitter who came out with Calton's Party on the Albury, left Liverpool 13 Feb 1820, arrived in Algoa Bay 15 May. Settled on Torrens River, location was named Clumber after the seat of the Duke of Newcastle.

    Carol Forsberg wrote on Facebook: This is what I have Thomas Tmms - Source: Familysearch.org
    Name: Thomas Timms
    Gender: Male
    Christening Date: 26 Jan 1775
    Christening Place: SAINT MARY,NOTTINGHAM,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
    Father's Name: Charles Timms
    Mother's Name: Elisabeth
    Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04487-1
    System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 503799

    1820 SETTLER PARTY: CALTON, SHIP: ALBURY

    OCCUPATION PRIOR TO MIGRATION TO S.A.: FRAMEWORK KNITTER

    NOTE: It was apparently the death of their eldest son, John, that was the final straw that prompted Thomas to make the decision to go to the Cape Colony; for John had been murdered. This had been passed down by word of mouth in some parts of the Timm family in South Africa. Thomas and Elizabeth and the entire communityknew who had committed the murder, and that justice had not been done. In their pain and grief, they decided to leave England with their remaining children, Charles, Edward, Thomas, Eliza and Louisa. The matter actually came to trial in 1822. We will never know if they knew this or not.

    It is highly likely that Thomas and Elizabeth had at least one other child between John (1799) and Charles (1804). This child would likely have been either stillborn or would have died young, before being baptised, as we cannot (at this stage) find any reference to a child being born around 1802.

    Died at Bathurst on 10th instant, aged 72 years, at the residence of his son-in-law W. Allen, Mr. Thos. Timms of the Nottingham Party. Deceased was one of the original settlers of 1820.

    Ticknall is in Derbyshire, the next county over from Nottinghamshire, where Thomas was apparently born and from where the Timms emigrated to South Africa.

    DEATH NOTICE: MOOC, 6/9/44-9311

    It appears that Thomas was baptised as TIMMS in England, but that may have been an error in the registration by the church minister. Thomas' son John and the trial etc., all refer to him has John Timm. Thomas signed the Nottingham party agreement as Thomas Timm and the manifests have them as TIMM.
    There appears to have ben a disagreement of some sort by the son Charles with the rest of the family, and he decided to use the name TIMMS.

    Occupation:
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    Settler:
    Calton's party on the Albury

    Died:
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    Thomas married Elizabeth Holt, 1820 Settler on 9 Nov 1795 in Calke, Derby, England. Elizabeth was born in 1772 in Ticknall, Derbyshire, England; died on 27 Jun 1852 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  8. 15.  Elizabeth Holt, 1820 Settler was born in 1772 in Ticknall, Derbyshire, England; died on 27 Jun 1852 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • 1820 Lineage: Yes
    • Settler ID: 347
    • Settler: 13 Feb 1820, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

    Notes:

    Birth:
    Sensitive:0

    Settler:
    Calton's party on the Albury

    Died:
    Sensitive:0

    Children:
    1. Mary Timm was born in 1796 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 23 Apr 1796 in St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England.
    2. Ann Timm was born in 1797 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 6 Nov 1797 in St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England.
    3. John Timm was born about 1799 in West Bridgford, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England.
    4. Charles Timms, 1820 Settler was born in 1804 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 18 May 1804 in St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died on 4 Jan 1885 in Uitenhage, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    5. Edward Timm, 1820 Settler was born on 16 Apr 1806 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died on 19 Dec 1886 in Prospect House, Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa; was buried on 20 Dec 1886 in Clumber, Bathurst (nr), Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    6. Elizabeth Timm was born about 1808 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died in 1818 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was buried on 20 Sep 1818 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England.
    7. Thomas Timm, 1820 Settler was born in 1811 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 21 Jan 1811 in St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died between 1847 and 1852.
    8. Eliza Timm, 1820 Settler was born in 1813 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 22 Jan 1813 in St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died on 9 Oct 1901 in Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
    9. 7. Louisa Timm, 1820 Settler was born in 1815 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; was christened on 31 Jul 1815 in St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England; died on 14 Feb 1877 in Tarkastad, Eastern Cape, South Africa.



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