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- Emigrated to the Cape in 1817, with his father, John, and his two uncles, Archibald and William. Arrived on the "Brilliant". Death Notice 6/9/2232. "Roodipoort" was his dwelling place. Death Notice gives value of his moveable and immoveable property in Colesberg and Colesberg District as about 7,000 pounds.
- Emigrated to the Cape in 1817, with his father, John, and his two uncles,
Archibald and William. Arrived on the "Brilliant"."Roodipoort" was his dwelling place. Death Notice gives value of his moveable and immoveable property in Colesberg and Colesberg District as about 7,000 pounds.
Extract from " Roll of the British Settlers in South Africa " by E. MorseJones
p 2
".... In the meantime some two hundred Settlers from Scotland arrived at the Cape under Captain Benjamin Moodie in this year, 1817,..."
p 17
"... The lists following are in three groups, these severally includingSettlers who landed prior to 1820,...."
"... In the case of Moodie's party where a ship's name is not given thesailing was either in " Clyde " or " Garland ".... "
p 20
".... Murray, Andrew. Farmer. p Moodie's. 1817. His wife did notembark...."
".... Norval, Archibald. p Moodie's. 1817.
Norval, John. c John. p Moodie's. 1817.
Norval, William. p Moodie's. 1817."
p 146
"... Norval, A member of Moodie's party he sailed in 1817. He bredhorses in the Colesberg district in 1848. In 1849 he launched the pont " Clyde " at Port Glasgow on theOrange River. It had a capacity of four loaded wagons or 4,000 sheep... "
It has now become clear ( 11:03:2000 ) that the John Norval( Snr ) who came out with Moodie's party in 1817 and the John Norval who married Mary Jane Murray were not one and the same person. John Norval ( Snr ) came out with a son, John Norval, as well as two brothers. No mention is made in the above mentioned book of him having had a wife with him. One can only assume that he was a widower. Our John Norval, born 1795, and therefore 22 years of age in 1817, is the one who married Mary Jane Murray. The brothers of John ( Snr ) were Archibald and William Norval. It is, of course, not impossible, that John ( Jnr ) was a younger brother of the three Norval brothers Archibald, John and William! The Settler book merely lists him as a child. This does not necessarily mean that he was John ( Snr )'s child, though he travelled with him! The chances seem pretty good that this might have been the case rather than that he was a son of John (Snr ).
I have nevertheless left my original assumption unchanged i.e. John being a son of John for the time being.
Since found the book Driehonderd Jaar Nasiebou - Stamouers van die Afrikanervolk by Dr. D.F. Du T. Malherbe. In it he refers to two brothers, James and Ernest, having come out together with John. Adds "Son James Charles (1:10:1826) is great grandfather (grootvader) of Dr.Arthur James Norval ( Pretoria ). He also states " The three brothers managed Norvalspont."
The repeated occurrence of the name James Charles Norval down the generations has also made me wonder if this was not the name of the father of the Settler brothers. It could also originate from James Murray though!
The farm Roodepoort was later also referred to as Rooipoort by some,including by Samuel Pellissier in the note to George Henry Norval in the flyleaf to his book about his father Jean Pierre Pellissier, the missionary.
My reason for having two unnamed children of unknown sex is based on a recollection of Hazel Willies. The date of marriage and date of birth of the first named child would seem to substantiate her belief somewhat!?
I have yet to work out Hazel's oft repeated 10 sons, each of whom had a farm, and 3 daughters. The facts do not seem to substantiate this.Possibly a count of the sons of the two brothers ( or brother and nephew) will give a clue?? David Barlow also refers to 13 children, the youngest according to his mother was Ellen Morrison Norval ( b. 1854 )who died very young.
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