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- [S128] Russell, Jackie, 27 Jan 2003, email, jackie@russell62.freeserve.co.uk.
Sharon
I will copy out what Margaret has written below. "She (Joan) had traced their roots back to William and Martha, the parents of James Lydford Collett who was born at Stroudwater, Glos on 14th February 1803. He was Godfrey's greatgrandfather. Little is known about his parents, but his father, William, is thought to have died between 1830 and 1830 and his mother six years later. Other members of
his family included his brother Joseph, whose birth is registered at The Old Meeting House, Stroud in 1803. Two of his sisters, Elizabeth and Sarah, went to USA but Rhoda was to marry Thomas Arnott of Glamorgan and went to South Africa in 1841. James arrived in South Africa on the 'Salisbury' in December 1821, listed as an indentured labourer in Major General Colin Campbell's party. His name was second-last on the list of names. He was well educated in the three R's, wrote well and was filled with driving energy. He is said to have had 70 grandchildren, one of whom was Letitia Collett who married James Butler of London. Their son, Guy, now a semi-retired English professor of Rhodes University, Grahamstown, wrote a book called "Karoo Morning" about his own roots and early life. The Gloucestershire Archivist tried to find William's birth record, but failed, nor could any trace of his marriage be found."
I see that you have James Lydford's birth as 1800 and Margaret says 1803. I think that sometimes the dates in the book aren't entirely accurate. She then goes on to say that William may be from a Collet family from Tewksbury in Gloucestershire. Maybe Godfrey and Joan have more info on this. > There is then quite a complicated pedigree, which I will summarise here,> but again Godfrey would have more details. > > 6 Children of William and Martha > > 1. James Lydford > b 14.2.1800 > 1821 to S A in "Salisbury" > d 1875 > > married Rhoda TROLLIP> b 1806 Frome, Somerset > 1820 to S A in "Weymouth" in Hyman's Party > > 2. Joseph > b 15.2.1803 Stroud Old Meeting House > d 26.12.1875 in California > Married Mary > Issue Ann & Charlotte > > 3. Elizabeth > b 1806 > m (1) ? > m (2) ? BRADLEY > d 1892 > No Issue > > 4. Sarah > b ? > d USA > 2 sons, 4 daughters > > 5.Ann > b ? > > 6. Rhoda > b ? > m T ARNOTT of Glamorgan > 1841 to S A > Son Thomas b 1843 > > The 9 Children of James Lydford and Rhoda were> > 1. Rhoda Ann > b 1824 > m 1842 Joshua TROLLIP > 12 Children, 2 died young > > 2. John> b 1826 > m 1854 Mary TROLLIP > 13 Children > a. Walter m B INNES, No Issue > b. Letitia m J BUTLER > c. Herbert not married > d. Jessie not married > e. Dtr died MARY EMMA*********m CHARLES BUTLER > f. Rosa m J MASKELL > g. Owen m K GEDGE > h. Agnes m J COLLETT > i. Bertie m A van HAEDON > j. Gervaise m R GEDGE > k. Norman m Gladys HART ** father of Godfrey > l. Dudley m K JUBB no issue > M. RHODA PHOEBE COLLETT************ > 3. Susanna > b 1829 > m 1849 Rchd MASKELL > 8 Children I HAVE 7 > > 4. Martha > b 1831 > m John TROLLIP> d 1851 > No Issue > > 5. James > b 1833 > m 1859 Mary SIMPSON > 8 Children > Ernest > Charles> Alice > Benjamin > Denham > Florence > William > Irene > > 6. William > b 1835 > m 1863 Ann Maria COOK > 11 Children > Dora > Harry > Edith > Edward > Ewart > Frederick > Myra > Wesley > Bessie > Morley > Daisey > > 7. Joseph > b 1837 > m 1860 Emily SIMPSON I HAVE 11 > 10 Children > Percy > Alice > Amy > Arthur > Langford > Elizabeth > Ada > Winifred > Isobel> Reginald > > 8. George > b 1840 > m Martha ADENDORF > 10 Children > Horatio > Annie > John > Clifford > Thomas > Selina > Eva > James > Edith > Norman > I DON't HAVE EDITH > 9. Elizabeth> b 1844 > m 1861 Jonathan CROOKS > 5 Children > > I make that 77 grandchildren!!! >> Before I contact Margaret, maybe you could let me know where your > greatgrandfather fits in. Margaret lives in Suffolk and is in her 80's. > Her grandfather and brother were both Lord Mayor of London. She has an > e-mail address, but doesn't use it a lot, and I don't think she likes it > passed on to too many people, but will probably contact you herself. I > will ask her if she has an e-mail address for Godfrey. > > My links with the Colletts are as follows.> One of my 4x greatgrandfathers was Joseph ROWLANDS. He had a sister > Mary bap 15 Apr 1765 in Naunton Gloucestershire. She married Henry > COLLETT on 1 Jan 1787 at Notgrove and they had 10 Children. This family > of Colletts were mainly cordwainers (shoemakers) and also Non > Conformists. The Rowlands were Baptists. I am in contact with a > descendant of Henry and Mary Collett in Australia, thanks to Margaret > Chadd. Margaret is descended from Henry's brother Richard Collett. > > A greatgrandson of Henry and Mary, Walter Collett, married Sarah Ann > Dowler in Winchcombe on 12 Mar 1891. This Sarah Ann was the > greatgrandaughter of Joseph Rowlands, Mary's brother, so Walter and > Sarah Ann were actually 3rd cousins, but they probably didn't know it. > She was the sister of my greatgrandfather John DOWLER. > > I hope you can make sense from all of this. Let me know if you can't. > > Best Wishes > Jackie> > >
Margaret Chadd wrote The Collett Saga.
Joan Collett wrote A Time to Plant.
- [S370] Lotter, Laurraine - 1820 Family Trees, Lotter, Laurraine, Jan 2003, Email.
Extracted from A Time to Plant by Joan Collett
- [S80] Guy Butler, "Karoo Morning", (David Philip 1983 ISBN 0 949968 76 5), 28 Jan 2003, pp 74 - 103, Ch 7.
- [S6] M D Nash, "The Settler Handbook", (Chameleon Press ISBN 0 620 10940 8), 5 Feb 2003, p 55.
"By the Salisbury:
AIGTON
BRADY, Robert
CAMPBELL, Charles Collins. w Mary harriet. c Laurence 17, Isabella 16, John 14, Frederick 10, William 4, Edward Andrew 3, Harriet 2, Catherine.
CAMPBELL, Elizabeth Susannah 20 (daughter of Charles Campbell).
COLLETT, James
FIELD, Thomas
NORRIS, Thomas
WYBROW (or Whybone), Robert
WYBROW (or Whybone), William
This agrees with the list of passengers by the Salsibury as given in the Cape Town Gazette of 15 December 1821. The Colonial Department's list omits Aigton and includes William Cumming. Neither list specifies the names of General Campbell's children whp accompanied their parents, and it has been assumed that all the younger children did so.
Directed by Major-General Chares Collins Campbell of 3 Durham Place, Lambert (now part of Greater London), a former Commander of the Forces in Newfoundland. Gen Campbell had 9 children from his second marriage and a young family by his third wife, who he had married in Newfoundland in 1816 ... Gen Campbell undertook to take 100 families to the Cape at his own expense. He agreed to pay all the costs of transporting and locating his settlers, and was to receive no assistance from government other than a grant of land in the proportion of 100 acres for every able-bidied man. This party fell outside the terms of the emigration scheme, but an extensive area of land was reserved for it within the Albany settlement.
An advance party of 7 men, with Campbell's bailiff Cypress Messer in charge, sailed for the Cape in the Mary Sophia in Jnauary 1820 and was sent on to Algoa bay in the Sir George Osborn. Their instructions were to build a house for the General and begin cultivation. They were followed in June by a second small party, which included at least one of General Campbell's sons, in the Dowson. General Campbell himself, with his wife and younger children and a final contingent of 7 settlers, left the Downs on 14 August 1821 in the Salisbury, which arrived in Tanle Bay on 8 December.
The party was located on a 10 000-acre estate at Rietfontein, on an arm of the Kasouga River. The location was named Barville Park. General Campbell died in May 1822, and since the promised large number of settlers had not materialised, a portion only of the location was granted to his widow."
- [S449] Collett, Joan, "A Time to Plant", 24 Feb 2003, p1.
"James Lydford Collett was born on St Valentine's Day, Feb 14, 1800 at Stroudwater in the county of Gloucestershire, England. This, and the fact that his obituary stated he was a resident of Burford, is all that is known for certain about his life before 1821. There is no reference to his childhood and youth in any of his writings."
- [S449] Collett, Joan, "A Time to Plant", 28 Feb 2003, p193.
"James was buried as he had wished at the graveyard at Grassridge where his grandson Ernest lay."
- [S128] Russell, Jackie, 27 Jan 2003, email, jackie@russell62.freeserve.co.uk.
Sharon
I will copy out what Margaret has written below. "She (Joan Collett, author of A Time to Plant) had traced their roots back to William and Martha, the parents of James Lydford Collett who was born at Stroudwater, Glos on 14th February 1803. He was Godfrey's (Joan's) greatgrandfather. Little is known about his parents, but his father, William, is thought to have died between 1830 and 1830 and his mother six years later. Other members of his family included his brother Joseph, whose birth is registered at The Old Meeting House, Stroud in 1803. Two of his sisters, Elizabeth and Sarah, went to USA but Rhoda was to marry Thomas Arnott of Glamorgan and went to South Africa in 1841. James arrived in South Africa on the 'Salisbury' in December 1821, listed as an indentured labourer in Major General Colin Campbell's party. His name was second-last on the list of names. He was well educated in the three R's, wrote well and was filled with driving energy. He is said to have had 70 grandchildren, one of whom was Letitia Collett who married James Butler of London. Their son, Guy, now a semi-retired English professor of Rhodes University, Grahamstown, wrote a book called "Karoo Morning" about his own roots and early life (this includes much about the Colletts). The Gloucestershire Archivist tried to find William's birth record, but failed, nor could any trace of his marriage be found."
I see that you have James Lydford's birth as 1800 and Margaret says 1803. I think that sometimes the dates in the book aren't entirely accurate. She then goes on to say that William may be from a Collet family from Tewkesbury in Gloucestershire. Maybe Godfrey and Joan have more info on this. There is then quite a complicated pedigree, which I will summarise here, but again Godfrey would have more details.
6 Children of William and Martha 1. James Lydford b 14.2.1800
1821 to S A in "Salisbury" d 1875 married Rhoda TROLLIP
b 1806 Frome, Somerset 1820 to S A in "Weymouth" in Hyman's Party 2. Joseph b 15.2.1803 Stroud Old Meeting House d 26.12.1875 in California Married Mary Issue Ann & Charlotte 3. Elizabeth b 1806 m (1) ? m (2) ? BRADLEY d 1892 No Issue4. Sarah b ? d USA 2 sons, 4 daughters 5.Ann b ? 6. Rhoda b ? m T ARNOTT of Glamorgan 1841 to S A Son Thomas b 1843 The 9 Children of James Lydford and Rhoda were 1. Rhoda Ann b 1824 m 1842 Joshua TROLLIP 12 Children, 2 died young 2. John > b 1826 > m 1854 Mary TROLLIP > 13 Children > a. Walter m B INNES, No Issue > b. Letitia m J BUTLER > c. Herbert not married > d. Jessie not married > e. Dtr died MARY EMMA*********m CHARLES BUTLER > f. Rosa m J MASKELL > g. Owen m K GEDGE > h. Agnes m J COLLETT > i. Bertie m A van HAEDON > j. Gervaise m R GEDGE > k. Norman m Gladys HART ** father of Godfrey > l. Dudley m K JUBB no issue > M. RHODA PHOEBE COLLETT************ > 3. Susanna > b 1829 > m 1849 Rchd MASKELL > 8 Children I HAVE 7 > > 4. Martha > b 1831 > m John TROLLIP > d 1851 > No Issue > > 5. James > b 1833 > m 1859 Mary SIMPSON> 8 Children > Ernest > Charles > Alice > Benjamin > Denham > Florence > William > Irene >> 6. William > b 1835 > m 1863 Ann Maria COOK > 11 Children > Dora > Harry > Edith > Edward> Ewart > Frederick > Myra > Wesley > Bessie > Morley > Daisey > > 7. Joseph > b 1837 > m 1860 Emily SIMPSON I HAVE 11 > 10 Children > Percy > Alice > Amy > Arthur > Langford > Elizabeth > Ada > Winifred > Isobel > Reginald > > 8. George > b 1840 > m Martha ADENDORF > 10 Children > Horatio > Annie > John > Clifford > Thomas > Selina > Eva > James > Edith > Norman> I DON't HAVE EDITH > 9. Elizabeth > b 1844 > m 1861 Jonathan CROOKS > 5 Children > > I make that 77 grandchildren!!! > > Before I contact Margaret, maybe you could let me know where your> greatgrandfather fits in. Margaret lives in Suffolk and is in her 80's. > Her grandfather and brother were both Lord Mayor of London. She has an > e-mail address, but doesn't use it a lot, and I don't think she likes it > passed on to too many people, but will probably contact you herself. I > will ask her if she has an e-mail address for Godfrey.> > My links with the Colletts are as follows. > One of my 4x greatgrandfathers was Joseph ROWLANDS. He had a sister > Mary bap 15 Apr 1765 in Naunton Gloucestershire. She married Henry > COLLETT on 1 Jan 1787 at Notgrove and they had 10 Children. This family > of Colletts were mainly cordwainers (shoemakers) and also Non > Conformists. The Rowlands were Baptists. I am in contact with a > descendant of Henry and Mary Collett in Australia, thanks to Margaret > Chadd. Margaret is descended from Henry's brother Richard Collett. > > A greatgrandson of Henry and Mary, Walter Collett, married Sarah Ann > Dowler in Winchcombe on 12 Mar 1891. This Sarah Ann was the > greatgrandaughter of Joseph Rowlands, Mary's brother, so Walter and > Sarah Ann were actually 3rd cousins, but they probably didn't know it. > She was the sister of my greatgrandfather John DOWLER. > > I hope you can make sense from all of this. Let me know if you can't. > > Best Wishes > Jackie > > >
- [S370] Lotter, Laurraine - 1820 Family Trees, Lotter, Laurraine, Jan 2003, Family tree.
- [S6] M D Nash, "The Settler Handbook", (Chameleon Press ISBN 0 620 10940 8), 5 Feb 2003, p 55.
"By the Salisbury:
AIGTON
BRADY, Robert
CAMPBELL, Charles Collins. w Mary Harriet. c Laurence 17, Isabella 16, John 14, Frederick 10, William 4, Edward Andrew 3, Harriet 2, Catherine.
CAMPBELL, Elizabeth Susannah 20 (daughter of Charles Campbell).
COLLETT, James
FIELD, Thomas
NORRIS, Thomas
WYBROW (or Whybone), Robert
WYBROW (or Whybone), William
This agrees with the list of passengers by the Salsibury as given in the Cape Town Gazette of 15 December 1821. The Colonial Department's list omits Aigton and includes William Cumming. Neither list specifies the names of General Campbell's children whp accompanied their parents, and it has been assumed that all the younger children did so.
Directed by Major-General Chares Collins Campbell of 3 Durham Place, Lambert (now part of Greater London), a former Commander of the Forces in Newfoundland. Gen Campbell had 9 children from his second marriage and a young family by his third wife, who he had married in Newfoundland in 1816 ... Gen Campbell undertook to take 100 families to the Cape at his own expense. He agreed to pay all the costs of transporting and locating his settlers, and was to receive no assistance from government other than a grant of land in the proportion of 100 acres for every able-bidied man. This party fell outside the terms of the emigration scheme, but an extensive area of land was reserved for it within the Albany settlement.
An advance party of 7 men, with Campbell's bailiff Cypress Messer in charge, sailed for the Cape in the Mary Sophia in January 1820 and was sent on to Algoa bay in the Sir George Osborn. Their instructions were to build a house for the General and begin cultivation. They were followed in June by a second small party, which included at least one of General Campbell's sons, in the Dowson. General Campbell himself, with his wife and younger children and a final contingent of 7 settlers, left the Downs on 14 August 1821 in the Salisbury, which arrived in Tanle Bay on 8 December.
The party was located on a 10 000-acre estate at Rietfontein, on an arm of the Kasouga River. The location was named Barville Park. General Campbell died in May 1822, and since the promised large number of settlers had not materialised, a portion only of the location was granted to his widow."
- [S166] Joan Southey, "Footprints in the Karoo", 20 Mar 2003, p132.
"After the wedding he went farming on a farm called Elephant Fountain in the Kat Rver area in the Koonaap...the Kaffir Wars started..and the farm and trading store had to be abandoned...maruaders attacked two wagons loaded with goods for the store...the drivers were kileed, the oxen taken, all the goods destroyed and the house set alight. James later rebuilt the house, but tragedy struck again.
"His brother-in-law, Jacob Trollip, a mason, wasworking with him on the farm and when James and Rhoda were away one day natives attacked the house and came at Jacob with assegais. His wife, Rebecca, intervened and was fatally injured, and theor 18-moth-old baby daughter, ester, was slightly wounded in the hip. James and Rhoda raered this child as one of the family.
"James became tired of struggling on in the face of so many difficulties and he and Rhoda and the children joined the Trollips in their trek to the Fish River area, settling at saltpansdrift in 1846 and the dwelling-house is one of the oldest buildings in the district, having been built by Trekker Albertyn. James ad earlier bought the fram Green Fountains (Groenfontein) in the Cradock district. He was elected a member of the first Cape Parliament, and had to tarvel by horse and cart to Cape Town for the parliamentary sessions."
- [S1192] Horne, Becky, Horne, Becky, (emails on South-Africa-Immigrants-British@rootsweb.com), 12 Apr 2003, East Cape Newspapers, 1973, beckyjh@telkomsa.net.
The Fish River area to the north of Cradock is well known for its irrigation and sheep farming, and also the COLLETT family descendants of James COLLETT, who came to South Africa as an independent young man in 1820. From England he was a member of one of several parties of settlers brought out by Major-General Charles CAMPBELL.
James COLLETT was a highly educated man, and played an important part in the early community life of the Eastern Cape. He was only 34 when he was nominated for the Legislative Council at the Cape Parliament in 1834. He was a member of the committee which formed the Eastern Province Agricultural Society in 1841. He died in 1876.
- [S168] Guy Butler, "The 1820 Settlers an Illustrated Commentary", (Human & Rousseau, 1974), 8 Dec 2003, p 188.
In spite of vagrancy many satsfactory and lasting relationships developed, so much so that when war did break out, many a farmer knew that he could rely upon the loyalty of his servants.
James Collett, at Elephant Fountain in the Fort Beaufort district, had obviously won the loyalty of his "people". His Hottneto wagon driver was to be ambushed and killed at the Koonap drift, and later was to stand, appalled, in his empty cattle kraal, straing by moonlight at the corpse of hsi "faithful Vaaltyn". Througot this war Japhta, a Basuto herdsman, being especailly deadly with a shorgun, was to help defend Bowker's stock. Hottentot levies were to play a vital role in the campaign that followed.
- [S170] Whittal, Vernon, 30 Apr 2003, LDS.
In (Hyman's party) there was a large family called Trollip described as labourers who cam from the countryside round Frome in Somersetshire and seem to have been tenat farmers and wevaers near Tytherington, a village near the Wiltshire border. It was into this family that James Collett later married and became part of a close family circle which took the place of the one he had left in England.
Installment #2
Microfilm #1886513
Matrimonial Court Minutes and Special Marriage Licenses: 1821 - 1884
Albany/Grahamstown, Cape, South Africa
Item 7
Entry #58
Husband: James COLLET, 23, Reformed, England
Wife: Rhoda TROLLOP, 18, Protestant, England
Date: 2/5/1824
- [S449] Collett, Joan, "A Time to Plant".
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